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Taking the example of Tarantism, a collective treatment ritual for psychic difficulties (Southern Italy), and clinical work with therapeutic groups (mainly children), it will be shown how, in both cases, there is a transition from primal chaos to subjectivation, via filiation. It is essentially the concepts of excitation, envelope, and containing capacity, explored in their different configurations (physical, somatic, relational and psychic), that make it possible to formulate a number of hypotheses concerning the efficacy of these two approaches. At the same time the question will be raised of knowing to what extent our settings are influenced by culture.